Saturday, December 17, 2011

The Three Camps

When it comes to mens' ideologies, there are three camps that I observe in society. Although it is certainly possible to divide mens' ideologies into many divisions and subdivisions and factions, I observe that there are really only three essential groups. I want to discuss these here, showing the essentials and bare forms of each one.
In no particular order:

1. MGTOW  
Men Going Their Own Way, just as it implies, is men doing whatever they want. This can be anything from living a life of hedonism to just trying to live a peaceful life. This is a very individualistic camp, although this is not to say that there is not lots of camaraderie as well. But the core of MGTOW is going your own way, in other words, you make your own meaning. Within moments of looking into MGTOW, you are sure to see this acronym: AWALT. It means "All Women Are Like That" and is a core piece of the MGTOW movement. It is the belief that women are the same everywhere, and that feminism is less a cultural, societal, economic result than just simply what women are regardless of anything. The way that feminized Western women are is how all women are - if given the chance. This is the belief that all women are feminists at their cores, and therefore none can be trusted. Therefore, many MGTOWs avoid women as much as possible.

Within MGTOW, I see two splinters: those who view MGTOW as a solution, and those who view it as a tactic. In the former, the goal is to avoid all women period. In the latter, the goal is to avoid feminized Western women and perhaps escape the femisphere. The latter also tends to lead into the next camp I will discuss...

2. Traditionalists -  They want a stable, peaceful society that relies on traditional family values and in which qualities such as trust, honesty, and loyalty are highly valued. Just as in MGTOW, there is the despising and hatred of feminism. Unlike many MGTOW, this group does want women. Specifically, the primary traditionalist goal is to find a traditional woman to have a family with. Obviously, here in the West (the femisphere, or feminist sphere of influence) this is extraordinarily difficult if not outright impossible in most areas. Therefore, many traditionalists often turn to foreign dating, searching for a wife outside the femisphere. 

There is often a focus on creating a community as well. This is considered important for personal reasons of course, but also to sustain good values, being apart from corrupt modern culture. Traditionalists have the most difficult goals in many ways because the cultural rottenness is so widespread, so it is difficult often to find many traditionalists, much less have a traditional community without the intrusion of modern culture and feminism.

3. Manginas - Not really a camp in the sense that the others are. MGTOW and Traditionalism entail things like ideological solidarity and trust. This third "camp" has neither. Manginas (a portmanteau of "man" and vagina") are mainstream Western men, essentially. They are the ones who do not see anything wrong with society, particularly the relations between the sexes, and who are thoroughly brainwashed with and accepting of feminist thinking. There is no trust among them, nor is there any reason for it. Conversely, there is an emphasis on being cutthroat with each other in order to get women. The idea of "game" for getting women is a tool for manginas. The essence of game being a man changing himself for a woman, changing (or rather, pretending to change) who and what he is in order to have access to women. Another term for mangina is "white knight," a man who will rush to a woman's defense no matter what.

This camp does not see itself as a group, but it is mainstream and it has the greatest numbers. In other words, this is the group that is all about "business as usual" inside the feminist world.

4 comments:

  1. I know this is a very general overview, but I've thought of some exceptions and wonder if they justify adding some camps to your theory:
    What about gay men? The categories here refer to men's relations to women, an element that is less salient to homosexual men than heterosexual men. Other sexualities (or lacks thereof) may be negligible in an overview this vast, but that one just seemed to be starkly missing.

    Also, (male) feminists? (ostensibly category #3, but they "do not see anything wrong with society, particularly the relations between the sexes").

    People who would otherwise fit into #3 but don't have a predatory strategy for romance?

    I've met some men who are pleasant and reasonable, and I wonder why they're not referred to here.

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    1. I don't especially see gay men as belonging to any of these groups inherently. I suppose they could be an extra category, but I do not see why gay people cannot be MGTOW, Traditionalists, or manginas. It would depend, just like heterosexual men could be any one of the three groups.

      Male feminists are just manginas in my book.

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    2. I think if you get to know gay men, you will find that a fair number are closer in some ways to MGTOW than to the mangina crowd. I for one, as a gay man, am tired of hearing how horrible all men are, of knowing that radfems will equally attack me for the crime of being male-and I do not believe from what I see in some MRA organizations that I am that unusual.

      Personally I'm also of the opinion (ok, half joking) that MGTOW's ought to be TRYING to get the gay community to join them. Hell-if all you have is a group of guys and a fair number are gay or switch hitters-then you REALLY don't need the feminazis, do you? The biggest threat for feminists is actually gay men-because it isn't that "Gay men will marry your girlfriends" as some twit posted, it's that we'll happily take your BOYFRIENDS...

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  2. I too, as a gay man, am sick of hearing about how horrible men are. Straight men, in my opinion, make the best friends, room mates, and work buddies. They tend to naturally gravitate towards cooperation, honesty, and are more inclusive than women are. Sure, there's some competition among them as well, and certainly there are hierarchies, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Competition lets all men test their abilities and lets the rest of the group see who is good for what. Hierarchies also simplify decision making by eliminating the need for consensus. As a gay man, I truly wish straight men would regain their proper place in the West as the leaders of our world, but as long as the Manginas predominate, life will be also be miserable for both gay and straight men.

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